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Post by sarah on Jun 26, 2020 11:02:24 GMT -5
Congrats to the Final 3 and thanks to the hosts and all that good stuff!!! But let's get right into it. Jamal My emotions are very mixed with you right now. You say that you played a good social game and I think you need to elaborate on this, because many people in the Jury feel that you played quite a horrible social game. Were you trying to be liked by everyone like Jefra and Phoebe were, or were you trying to get close to certain people like myself and Jefra who would help get you/carry you to the end? Next, we need to hear more about your strategic game and the moves you made because I am seen to have orchestrated some of them, and Jefra is claiming to have orchestrated some others. So this is your chance to throw Jefra under the bus and take credit for the moves that you truly think that you made. I personally think that Jefra's OS helped your pitch more here at FTC than it did herself. All in all, your OS did not do it for me so I hope you are able to show more of your strategic side while answering questions, because I will NOT sit here and try to earn you the win, as I so clearly did all game when it seems like you never gave a shit about me in the game. I could have done you in round after round and I never did cause I was fooled by you! So props to you for that all I guess. Jefra Congrats to you. I said merge round that you would be sitting at FTC and here you are!!! Shame on me for never doing anything about it. To start, you said in your OS that you "were not afraid to let other's agenda come before your own" and it is hilarious that you said these exact words because it has been what I have been pitching to the Jury. I don't think that you really made any moves for yourself this game besides getting me out, which we will get to, and I think you were always a free agent in the game that people came to AFTER their plan was already developed. Such as the Locky vote, I am curious to hear from you and Jamal about whose idea you think that really was, because Jamal and I talked it over for hours. So did you put yourself in the spot to be a free agent, or did people just use you round after round as I believe that they did? I have always called you "mysterious" in this game because I never knew where your loyalties truly stood and your vote was always the one I was concerned about. So my question is was this intentional on your part? Because I never personally felt solid about our relationship in the game, and I'm not sure that others besides Jamal and maybe Hayden did either. You were simply not online a lot so I don't see how you can claim to have had such a good social game. And lastly, my vote out (cause I am of course curious). I think you shot your shot too late. I should have been gone at Final 7 and I need you to explain to me why you and Hayden chose to leave me in the game, especially if I was seen to be a trio with Jamal and Phoebe. You said you were targeting me at Final 7, so why could you not follow through with it and take full credit for that move?! At Final 6 you honestly just got lucky that I was at work and not online to see the situation. Oh, as well, you claim to have orchestrated the Andrea boot with Jamal, and I also think that this was a horrible move! Did you really see Andrea as someone who would beat you in the end and not Jamal? I think you gave Jamal and Phoebe all the power in this endgame when you chose to vote out Andrea, so I need clarification. Phoebe My crazy hot dog lady!!! Again, you claim to have a phenomenal social game like the other two and I just can't believe it as of yet! It is true that no one ever targeted you in this game, but I think that is because you were just seen as a lay-up and the goat of the season unfortunately. You are portrayed as Jamal's pawn, so you need to do something to set yourself apart from him. As for your OS, I give you credit for having loose lips at Final 7 to get the target off of yourself, but it was a little bit sloppy because had I gone back to Aubry then I could have thrown you right back under the bus. However I never did because I just couldn't deal with the emotional players anymore. Your claim that merge round when you left TC was a big pivot point in the game for you makes me laugh a little, ngl. I just don't understand how you see this as a big move because we all know that if you were at TC which way you would have voted lol. And I am sorry for voting you at Final 6 love! EVERYONE I, along with some Jury members, are just curious how things would have gone at Final 6 if Jamal had told me that the target was on me and I voted for Andrea, forcing a tie. It is ultimately you three who would have gone to rocks had the vote tied for a second time, so what would you have done in that situation?! (sorry that I talked so much but I miss you all!)    |
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Post by jamal on Jun 26, 2020 12:02:33 GMT -5
[/div] I did not want to be liked, although, of course, I did not mind it.
I wanted to be seen as available.
To that end, I tried to talk with as many people as possible and I always downplayed my connections with them to other friends. And it worked -- take new RT for an example -- after a couple days there, you and I became close, as did Hayden and I, Locky and I, & Jefra and I. At that point, it seemed that each of them thought that they were more connected to me than other og Vukus on the tribe. Jefra's opening statement shows that, you telling me that Locky threw our alliance with Phoebe under the bus shows that, Hayden confiding in me that you were dangerous shows us that, Locky continuing to talk to me and not vote for me at the F11 tiebreaker partially shows us that, etc.
My goal was to form relationships with as many people as possible and try desperately not to burn them. This is a very tricky game, because, at some point, you end up having relationships and alliances with everyone left in the game. But it worked. It did pay off quite well. For example, even after being "enemies" for three rounds, Andrea and I reconnected around the F9-F7, where she and Phoebe brought me into a three person alliance. But Aubry was not a part of that group, so I wanted her out.
At the beginning of the Final 6, I had the following connections with people:
Throughout the game, I used my social game to get people to trust me and get people to invite me into alliances, even when I didn't necessarily want to be a part of them.
I think I played an excellent strategic game. But it was subtle, and I can understand why people did not think that I played a great one. My goal of the game was to not come off as a powerplayer, because that was threatening. I already had a "threat" flag on me from the F11 onwards, so I didn't want to appear aggressive. To that end, I made everyone I talked to think that we were coming up with a strategic move, even when I had already discussed it with others. This would help me downplay my connections to other people and keep the target off my back. There were multiple times that you and I did this together, and I was also doing it with Jefra/I and Phoebe/I.
Let's take the Locky & Silas vote, for example.
Here's a confessional from the beginning of the round:
The plan to vote out Silas/Locky was first conceived in a conversation that you and I had, Sarah, but I knew that I had to be careful navigating it because if I made it seem like I was more connected to Jefra, Andrea, and Phoebe, than to you, you might be worried about it and back away. At the time, I knew that this was a risky move alienating Hayden, but for my game, it worked, because the three people I cared about the most (Phoebe, Jefra, and you), would all think that they each pulled off the vote with me, bringing the other two in.
So after we chatted, I went to Jefra and talked to her about it, and made it seem like it was her plan. Then I told you, Sarah, to go to her and see if she could vote with us. I knew that she would, but it was important for me that you believed I was not as close to Jefra. I did the same thing with Phoebe -- I told her to reach out to Jefra and you in order for people to downplay our relationship.
I always hate someone taking total credit for a move, because it's never just one person's idea. But I believe I deserve the majority of the credit, largely because I convinced other people that it was our idea, not just mine. You, also, went to Aubry and Andrea and told them to keep the vote on Silas -- but I knew that because of my connection to Andrea already.
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Another strategic move that I made was the F5 Andrea blindside. At the F6, I revealed to Jefra that I had the old RT idol. In return, she revealed to me that Hayden had the Aganoa idol. Jefra kept tabs on Hayden and channeled me his plans throughout the round until the Final 5 FTC. I knew that Jefra was getting the idol played on her. I wanted to keep Phoebe protected, because I knew that if I idoled,
there may try to be a vote split between Phoebe and I.
At that time, I thought it was in Jefra's, Hayden's, and Andrea's best interest to either get Phoebe or I out, given that we were the most obvious pair left in the game. But I didn't want that, because I wanted Phoebe around with me as long as possible.
So I told Phoebe to go to Jefra to downplay our connections. She actually mentioned voting me out to Jefra, which, frankly, I did not want, because it caused Jefra to try to push Phoebe to me. I also told Jefra that she should be "free" to vote for me that round, to hide her relationship with Hayden. I also told Andrea that she should go ahead and vote for me, which really broke my fuckin' heart, honestly, given my plans, but I felt it was the best play for me to make.
Everyone was aware that Phoebe and I were the most obvious pair in the game. Yet, we made it to the Final 4. I think we both deserve some credit for that, but it was me leveraging my relationship with Jefra that really made that round a success for me.
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I have no idea where this comes from. The only reason that you did not survive that round is that you refused to listen to me and vote Andrea. I know you were busy that day, but I wanted to save you, and I wanted you in the Final 5 with me. I'm guessing that you wanted to remove Phoebe from the equation to keep me close, and I understand that, but I was trying to look out for your best interests and I really thought that we worked quite well together the entire game. I'm sorry that you think I "fooled" you, but it was never my intention to. Just because I didn't share how close I was to other people (Jefra, Phoebe, Andrea (at times), etc.) with you does not mean that I wasn't more close to you than other people.
I told you the target was you. From our conversation that day.
I thought you were voting for Andrea with us. I largely blame you having a busy day, but I don't think you can say that I did not tell you the target was on you. I wanted you to vote Andrea throughout that round, but you wanted to vote Phoebe (for decent reasons I think I listed above). At that point, you had told me that you didn't want to "bring my game down with me," but I still can't say that I wouldn't have gone to rocks for you. It would have been a risk worth taking given that my hope was you and Hayden in the F5 so he could target you and not me. I also thought that you had a much better shot at beating Hayden in the F5 challenge than Andrea, so I still wanted you around.
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Post by sarah on Jun 26, 2020 13:31:43 GMT -5
Hi! Idk how to do the fancy quote thing still do I will just put what you said in quotes and respond to it:
"after a couple days there, you and I became close, as did Hayden and I, Locky and I, & Jefra and I. At that point, it seemed that each of them thought that they were more connected to me than other og Vukus on the tribe. Jefra's opening statement shows that, you telling me that Locky threw our alliance with Phoebe under the bus shows that, Hayden confiding in me that you were dangerous shows us that, Locky continuing to talk to me and not vote for me at the F11 tiebreaker partially shows us that, etc."
Ok so yes, it is clear Jefra thought she had you with her till the end, which I guess she did. However, Locky telling me (and likely Hayden) about the alliance with you and Phoebe shows that you in fact did NOT form as close of a bond with Locky as you thought. Furthermore, Hayden was hesitant with you since the very beginning so I don't think you ever gained his trust either. So you had me and Jefra ...
"1. F2 with Jefra
2. F2 with Sarah
3. F2 with Phoebe
4. Hayden/Sarah/I (likely defunct)
5. Andrea/Phoebe/I (on life-support)
6. Phoebe/Jefra/I (people think we are already in one, so I'll probably tell them to get together"
I find this ironic because you didn't mention yourself, me and Phoebe as a group when that is the only possibility out of those "alliances" that actually had a chance of voting together ...
Next, thank you for clearing up the Locky vote from your perspective. I think everyone had to hear that, but you act like your relationship with Andrea was kept secret when I knew about it and made sure that everyone else knew about it. However no one wanted Andrea out ever (besides Final 5 which also now makes more sense on your part) because everyone except me thought that they had a connection with her, and I just thought that she simply didn't do a single thing all game.
And lastly, maybe I am wrong about the round that I left but it was all just too hectic for me and the time frame that that message is from is literally my busiest time at work. But you know that I was between Phoebe and Andrea all round, and I just did not remember you telling me to vote Andrea, but that's on me and the reason for my own downfall. But you ultimately knew that I was getting votes and didn't play the idol, as I expected would happen, and overall I honestly just feel very played for the entirety of the game and I feel dumb for so blindly trusting you but that is ok! Life moves on and good luck.
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Post by jamal on Jun 26, 2020 13:46:42 GMT -5
You are right here. I did not know that he told Hayden as well, but, nevertheless, I do feel like I managed to build a relationship with Hayden and eventually earn his trust before you and I immediately broke it. I could be wrong there, though, and I'm sure he'll roast me about it later. The point wasn't really that I gained their trust. It was that I was available to them to talk, and that each of them did not necessarily know how close I was to the other. Playing actively is what I did -- I didn't wait for things to happen, and I tried to talk to people as much as possible to be in the know.
Oh, yes, it was the Final 6. The Final 2s at that point were the only ones that really matter. The point was more to illustrate that I had connections and was working hard to maintain and cultivate them. I do not think that Jefra and Phoebe put that kind of work in at all. Some may find it maybe overplaying there, and I understand that, but coming from a minority position without really knowing the connections in past tribes, I thought I had to do my best to worm my way into every group.
I'm aware that the rumors concerning Andrea/I were out there, which actually made me reach out to her more. But she was not my main ally or anything. As far as I know, there were not very many rumors about Jefra/I or you/I throughout the merge, which I think is more indicative of the game I played. The same thing happened with Jefra/Phoebe/I -- people assumed that we were together, when we were not really a "thing" officially.. actually, ever, but I used it as a way of saying shit like "people already think we are together, so might as well do it."
Alright, so, to Jefra's credit, she never actually told me that she was voting for you until after the deadline. She made it clear that she was between you and Andrea, but I didn't know that you would have the majority of votes. I assumed, at the very least, that you would be voting with me and Phoebe, so if it went to a tie (3-3), we could work from there. I never heard from you that you were voting Phoebe, either, until after the vote so I think the fault probably is on both for not being clear. But I thought I did my diligence and I was honestly under the assumption that you were voting Andrea.
I think using the idol on you at the F6 would have been catastrophic. I wasn't sure if you had the majority of votes, and even if I did, where would that lead my game? You already told me you didn't want you to bring down my game. If I would have used the idol on you, our relationship would have been exposed at the F5, putting a huge target on my back, and possibly alienating Jefra/Phoebe, who, by that time, knew I had an idol and assumed that I would play it for them. Sure, you could have gone on an immunity run, but I thought that choosing to play an idol on you when I wasn't even sure you were getting the majority of votes just wasn't a good play, and you probably would have been pissed if I did it afterwards.
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Post by sarah on Jun 26, 2020 13:53:20 GMT -5
Just for the record and shits and giggles I literally told you that I was voting Phoebe in the message right before you told me that I was possibly getting votes HAHA.
Sarah the Cop06/20/2020
I left her a message before and that's what I told her. But I'll shot her another message
You've heard nothing and no one has talked to andrea
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Feel like I am being played her but I don't have the time to figure things out at work
I think I actually have to vote for Phoebe though to separate us as a pair and then we have the option of either andrea or hayden next round. If we keep Phoebe I don't see many options for me if hayden wins
I'm sorry
jship3306/20/2020
Hold on a second.
Andrea is pushing you to go.
And she is talking to Hayden about it now.
Apparently.
I think the plan is to get a split vote.
3 for you 2 for Andrea 1 for Phoebe
I think you need to agree that you are voting Phoebe to them.
But you need to talk to Phoebe and jefra
Unless jefra is telling you something now
Because she hasn't responded to me for six hours.
You there?
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Post by jamal on Jun 26, 2020 13:58:52 GMT -5
Oops, yeah, that's my bad. I just thought the whole "me telling you were going to get votes" would've overridden the need for you to get Phoebe out. But I won't litigate it any further -- if you actually think I tried to get you out, or at least let it happen, you are going to continue thinking that. The fact of the matter is that I did not want you out at the F6.
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Post by Jefra on Jun 26, 2020 15:33:30 GMT -5
Hi Sarah!
The position I was trying to portray was that I was a free agent in the merge, just like you mentioned. The way that I saw it was that I had myself, and then off to my left I had Jamal, and then the rest of you are were all mingling and dangling below me. Jamal and I had discussed who we thought had the idol and we both seemed to believe that Locky had the idol, which he did! From the sounds of it, Jamal did not trust me as much as I trusted him. His relationship with you was much stronger than I realized, so it almost sounds like it sparked between you two and then Jamal discussed with me, as you read above. But just as I mentioned in my opening statement, and that you commented, other’s ideas of what they wanted to happen was something that I welcomed because I know from past experience, the moment I start pushing too hard for what I personally want to do, I’m going to be much more visible and more easily targeted, which happened to a lot of you on the jury right now. I’m not sure how Phoebe was thrown into the mix of that vote other than the association that Jamal and Phoebe already had and so she was part of the plan as well. However, it was my persuasion after the fact, once you voted for Silas, to help paint you as a target and me doing that had at least some impact on your eventual demise in this game. My game was not rooted in devising the perfect boot order, it was a game of deflection and protection. Did people use me round after round? No, absolutely not. And that can definitely be a perspective that you can get from someone being a “free agent,” because everyone saw me as an option to vote with them, which I don’t think is a bad thing at all. That just means I had OPTIONS and that my mysteriousness, if you will, shrouded people’s judgements of the connections I had and also saw me as someone they should keep close. I was never labeled as so and so’s ally, and that veil of mystery helped me further myself in the game by people always showing a willingness to talk and work with me if I brought it up.
Why did I not vote for you in Final 7? It’s because Aubry had dug her own grave. I was pushing all day for you to go and everywhere I turned, it seemed like people were not on board and were strongly preferring that Aubry go instead, and I knew that Aubry was a common target that most people had and that if she left, any associations of me working too closely with Aubry would dissipate, which I do believe happened. Especially after the ruckus that I caused amongst Jamal, Phoebe, Hayden, Aubry, and Andrea during all of that, I wanted to show that I was a team player and wanted to do what was best for the common good of my allies. You staying also meant that there you were a shield for later into the game. People would always prioritize you leaving over me, which we saw in the very next round.
I also believe the round that you left is a testament to the pull I had, and I apologize if I’m mistaken, but we had an EXCELLENT conversation after round 7 and I really think that I gotten some good brownie points from you, which was a key component of the final 6 when you were led to believe that Hayden, you, and I would be voting for Phoebe. But that round was guaranteed for you to go regardless, as Hayden had confided in me that he had an idol and was willing to use it on Andrea to make sure that you left. I don’t know the ins and outs of who all Hayden told of the idol or if he did at all, but the fact that I went from a permeable bond between Hayden and I to something that seemed to be concrete and solid enough for him to tell me about the idol, does show that I was able to sweet talk my way through things when I needed to. So, the vote would have never tied, because if you would have voted for Andrea, Hayden would have idoled Andrea to make sure that you left.
As far as my weak social game goes… I never claimed that I had a great one, and my absence was a key part in my success as so many times before, I consistently dedicate myself to a game to a fault and spend my days chatting with any and everyone and it gets me into very sticky situations on a guaranteed basis. I know that’s how I play and that’s what happens so I allowed myself to breathe. To spend some time away from the game and I knew that I would always be able to log on, get the scoop, and make a decision.
I think there’s this idea of what a Survivor winner needs to be. Some very respectable person who was a mastermind of all kinds, a physical powerhouse, just an extreme of those honorable qualities in a player. None of us 3 sitting here are that. And that’s exactly why we’re all sitting here together now, was because we stayed very socially aware and made sure that the people that WERE those things eventually left, and through my patience and perseverance and keeping a level head, I was able to circumnavigate the merge with ease and take out the true threats of the game one by one.
Thanks for the questions, Sarah!
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Post by sarah on Jun 26, 2020 21:59:55 GMT -5
Hi!! That was all so very well put and I am shook in my little booties HAHA!!! However, I do of course need to rebuttal on some things, so don't hate me! I don't think that big of a target was painted on me by you after the Silas vote because everyone knew exactly what went down, and I owned my move to Hayden, who would have eventually come after me anyways. Anyways, my biggest thing with your answers is still Final 7/6. We may not ever see eye to eye here, but if you had pushed for me all round at Final 7, you should have followed through imo. I don't really see why Hayden wouldn't have voted me out, but maybe he actually stood up for me? Idk. I don't think you really earned many brownie points with Jamal and Phoebe for that vote for Aubry, but they can speak for themselves. Your logic regarding Final 6 though is very flawed. If I was voting Andrea, you had no way of knowing, and once the votes tied Hayden is not then able to play the idol on Andrea. That's not how things work. And I really need to hear from Hayden if potentially jeopardizing himself at Final 5 would have been really worth it to idol me out of the game at 6. Honestly it was an error on my part to target Andrea at Final 6 and not you lol. But other than that that's about all the qualms I have! I get what you are saying about just being around during the nights to get the scoop, and trust me, I totally get just hiding behind all the big threats in the game until they are all taken out and you are left at Final 5. However, this game I think 2 huge threats were left in at Final 5, both with idols, and unfortunately this game turned out to NOT be a Final 2 like a lot of us expected, and I don't think that that worked out in your favor. You really kicked it into high gear at the end of the game though which I appreciate, and we for sure did have a great talk at Final 6 or whenever that was and I wish that that happened way way sooner in the game!!! Best of luck and I will definitely be keeping up with your other answers and such. Thanks!  |
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Post by phoebe on Jun 26, 2020 22:12:29 GMT -5
My crazy hot dog lady!!! Again, you claim to have a phenomenal social game like the other two and I just can't believe it as of yet! It is true that no one ever targeted you in this game, but I think that is because you were just seen as a lay-up and the goat of the season unfortunately. You are portrayed as Jamal's pawn, so you need to do something to set yourself apart from him.
If I was a goat as you're claiming I was, I'd have been left out of the loop for everything that happened and would have been told very last minute exactly who to vote for. Did that happen, no it didn't, and that's because of how great my social game was and how I am in fact not a goat in this game. I worked my ass off to always be in the know, to always be clued in to what people were thinking and a lot of the time shape and determine exactly who was going home each round. A goat sits around, does nothing, waits to be told what to do etc etc, I did none of that and to claim that I'm a goat is honestly insulting.
As for your OS, I give you credit for having loose lips at Final 7 to get the target off of yourself, but it was a little bit sloppy because had I gone back to Aubry then I could have thrown you right back under the bus. However I never did because I just couldn't deal with the emotional players anymore. Your claim that merge round when you left TC was a big pivot point in the game for you makes me laugh a little, ngl. I just don't understand how you see this as a big move because we all know that if you were at TC which way you would have voted lol. And I am sorry for voting you at Final 6 love!
That in itself is game play and KNOWING that you had had enough of talking to certain people, I took the calculated risk that you wouldn't go back to Aubry, because you had told me that you were done with her and didn't have it in you to continue talking to her. That tiny tiny bit of information, that you thought was just a stock standard comment from you, was absolute gold for me. Knowing that, I was able to talk to both Aubry and Andrea about what you had said to me, with the intention that it wouldn't turn back on me again and that's exactly what happened. Regarding me leaving the merge tribal council, I'm not actually claiming it as a move, I didn't mention it as a move I made, just a scenario that helped shaped my game. If we're going to be calling things that are the most obvious and logical choice as "moves" then everyone would have hundreds and hundreds of "moves" to claim. But again it was crucial to my game. Yes we all know how I'd have voted, but the fact that I wasn't there and didn't vote, I could paint whatever narrative of myself I wanted to. The key takeaway is I had NO blood on my hands, I hadn't gone back on my word to anyone, no one was pissed off at me and I had a clean slate to do what I pleased. Not being there helped me in developing my relationships with both Aubry and Andrea because they weren't mad at me, and it was in their best interest to make a play towards me and show why I should be siding with them as the game goes on, none of that happens if I was at that tribal council. No need to be sorry at all lol, no one should ever need to apologise about their games in the end.
I, along with some Jury members, are just curious how things would have gone at Final 6 if Jamal had told me that the target was on me and I voted for Andrea, forcing a tie. It is ultimately you three who would have gone to rocks had the vote tied for a second time, so what would you have done in that situation?!
If you forced a tie and made the vote 3 on Andrea and 3 on you, I'd have voted Andrea yet again and have been willing to go to rocks. This is in a hypothetical world where you weren't going after me of course, because if I had known you were going after me I'd flip and vote your ass out. But in this hypothetical you're still on my side so I'm voting Andrea again, I love going to rocks its such a thrill and I believe the flipper is always the one who ends up worse off in the next coming rounds. Or I'd back myself to be able to convince Jefra to not vote you again and instead vote Andrea, so bottom line yes I'd have gone to rocks in that situation.
Thanks for the question Sarah!
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Post by sarah on Jun 26, 2020 22:59:57 GMT -5
Umm wow that was a whole lot and I am kinda speechless!!!! Uhhhhhhh, I get what you are saying about having a clean slate after the merge round, and I agree. And I am shocked that you are saying that you would have gone to rocks for me when it seems like you have so much bad blood towards me! And I guess that you weren't clued in that me, Hayden and Jefra were supposed to be voting for you at Final 6? Did you know that I was getting votes? Those are just curiosity questions, but I wish you the best in the end. Thanks!
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Post by phoebe on Jun 27, 2020 1:49:21 GMT -5
Umm wow that was a whole lot and I am kinda speechless!!!! Uhhhhhhh, I get what you are saying about having a clean slate after the merge round, and I agree. And I am shocked that you are saying that you would have gone to rocks for me when it seems like you have so much bad blood towards me! And I guess that you weren't clued in that me, Hayden and Jefra were supposed to be voting for you at Final 6? Did you know that I was getting votes? Those are just curiosity questions, but I wish you the best in the end. Thanks!
I don't have any bad blood towards you at all Sarah, so whoever has told you this is talking out of their ass, and if no one told you this and it's because of how I'm coming across towards you, then I guess that's on me for you feeling that way. I hold no bad blood or ill will towards you at all.
No I wasn't 100% clued in on you 3 supposedly voting for me. I did know that you were getting votes yes, I knew you were getting votes off of Hayden, Andrea and maybe Jefra. In my mind Jefra was going to be voting Andrea, not you, so I was expecting to see only 2 votes on you not 3.
I hope your curiosity is satisfied and if it isn't we can talk more once the game is done!
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Post by Jefra on Jun 27, 2020 12:36:25 GMT -5
Alright, so as far as Hayden and I not voting for you with Aubry and Andrea that round, it really just comes down to a lack of communication. At that time, Hayden and I didn't have as close of a relationship and from Alicia's comments earlier in the game, I really did think that you two were super close and I didn't want to risk my own head by pushing for you to go directly with Hayden, who at that time I considered to be one of your closest allies. I had benefit for Aubry to leave as well. Aubry leaving meant that people wouldn't associate me with her like they did Andrea and Aubry, and would help to have my mind clear to move forward in the game because I knew that Jamal, Phoebe, and Hayden all had a distaste for her and that if I really did push too hard to save her while everyone else was wanting her out, that was going to leave with a much bigger target on my back. So, after pushing to get Jamal on board and throwing some psycho ideas around with Aubry and Andrea to see if we could somehow mix up the votes enough for just us 3 (Aubry, Andrea, and myself) to vote together, I saw that they weren't so willing to do so. Also, I just want to mention that Aubry specifically told me that she thinks she might be leaving and told me not to ruin my game for her, and I don't know about you, but that almost seems like permission to vote for her if that's the way things are going, and so that's what I did. Later on in to the night, I did open up with Hayden and that night was the night that Hayden and I formed a more solid bond and he looked at me as his closest ally from that point. I did bring up the intention of voting you out but it was not until 15 minutes before the deadline, and at that point, I had decided I would rather vote for Aubry than risk stirring the pot like that, and knowing that there was still another round in the game, I was confident that there would be another opportunity to vote you out, as even Jamal had confirmed with me multiple times that you would have to go eventually. Here are some IMs from that night: Hayden 06/18/2020
thats fair
and i mean people put me with sarah, and i mean probably especially this round
but i was hurt the most by her last round
jefra 06/18/2020
i really do think she is dangerous
she has a grip on everyone
Hayden 06/18/2020
is she leaving right now
jefra 06/18/2020
no
not to my knowledge
no one wanted to vote her
which is exactly my point, shes even more threatening than aubry imo
and thats just me keeping it real w you
Hayden 06/18/2020
im suprised no one wanted to vote her after all of this
jefra 06/18/2020
everyone seems to think aubry is stirring up so much trouble but in my eyes, aubry has told me who shes voting every round and then just voted them and thats it
but i mean i do think aubry needs to go too
i just dont want people to be blinded by the influence sarah has and then it be too late and then we all lose to her
Hayden 06/18/2020
and by people im assuming u mean phoebe and jamal
jefra 06/18/2020
well, yeah i guess by power of deduction lol
i guess i also mean you a bit because ive assumed you two were close
Hayden 06/18/2020
I just went to her this round bc i assumed it was all i had
im more than willing to vote her out
especially if me and you are on the same page now
jefra 06/18/2020
well, i think thats what needs to happen before its too late
but we will still have time Your logic regarding Final 6 though is very flawed. If I was voting Andrea, you had no way of knowing, and once the votes tied Hayden is not then able to play the idol on Andrea. That's not how things work. And I really need to hear from Hayden if potentially jeopardizing himself at Final 5 would have been really worth it to idol me out of the game at 6. Honestly it was an error on my part to target Andrea at Final 6 and not you lol. I can see where you're coming from, but MY reality that round was that you trusted me at that point, and I came to you very very shortly before the deadline and asked: jefra 06/20/20
but no i assure you from talking to hayden and to you that the vote is on phoebe
but i got confused bc jamal seems to think you were gonna vote andrea
Sarah the Cop 06/20/2020
Yeah he should
I voted Phoebe
jefra 06/20/2020
ok nice You could have been lying to me, yes, but the moment you told me that I knew you were telling the truth and that the vote would work out 3-2-1 and that Hayden didn't need to play an idol. If you and Andrea tie then the revote has me campaigning against you to Jamal and Phoebe and hoping that they would consider voting for you. This was already after Jamal had told me he recognized that you were dangerous and that you would need to go eventually, and he had even considered it earlier in the night. So I felt safe this round because I felt like I had done a convincing job of making sure the vote stayed as I wanted it to and that even in the event of a tie, I would have been okay. As far as if Hayden risking his own game to get you out? You'll have to talk to him directly about that but he definitely did mention idoling Andrea that round. That was the round he told me he had the idol. He was ready to use it on Andrea but you had done a great job convincing me that you were voting Phoebe, because you were, because that's what we discussed Hayden and I were doing. Also, I would hope the reason you didn't target me that round is because of the reasons that I mentioned above. We had gotten along really well for the whole round, enough for you to put trust in me and go with what I was wanting to you do even though I had gone after you just the round before. So, in that way that's a testament to the pull I had over people this game. ♥ |
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Post by sarah on Jun 27, 2020 12:56:59 GMT -5
I just think we aren't going to see eye to eye on these two rounds still and that's ok! I always tried to keep Aubry in the game because she was such an enemy of people like Hayden and Jamal, and you instead tried to take her out because of that and because she stirred the pot, so that is just different gameplay styles. However, you say that after you decided to not stir the pot and to just vote Aubry out that you were confident that there was another chance to take me out next round, and I just don't think that was the case. What if I won immunity? And we did have a great talk but I nowhere near trusted you or Hayden at all at that point in the game. I just didn't want to burn the bridge fully to the ground with you two in case it still were partially standing. If the vote would have tied, Jamal and Phoebe have already stated that they would have went to rocks for me, and this is one of the reason I asked about that because unfortunately it shows that your read on those two, plus Jamal's desire to get me out were not correct. However, if  really did intend to take me out of the game at some point, then I think your argument does have merit. But I am not sure if that is the case or not. If he was wanting to, then that shows that you maybe did have a good read on him, but it also shows that he was just a cut throat and ruthless player which also has to be respected. So I am very interested to hear! |
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Post by sarah on Jun 27, 2020 12:57:19 GMT -5
jamal is this how you tag someone? lol
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Post by Jefra on Jun 27, 2020 13:17:42 GMT -5
Oh, he absolutely mentioned it.
jship3306/20/2020
again though
my only major hang up
is keeping both of them around
jefra06/20/2020
so we can tell sarah like hayden was trying to get you out so hard this round
jship3306/20/2020
because i feel like it's great for our survivability to the end
jefra06/20/2020
i really think the fact that we've been a tight pair if we do make it to the end
jship3306/20/2020
but i feel like if we go against hayden or sarah in an f3 or something
we are so fucking toast
and
jship3306/20/2020
because there's a scenario where im better off at the f5 (not getting votes), but theres a scenario where i think we are more capable of making it to the end
the one that we are more capable of making it to the end is getting sarah out this round. i think that pretty much guarantees you safety until f4/f3
It was always known between Jamal and I that I thought you were threatening and he agreed with me on multiple accounts, so I never personally felt like it was out of the question.
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